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roi_galgal
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Post Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 5, 2013, 08:51
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So I’ve been testing out the new biomes snapshot (13w36a)… and I know that the server will never be reset and all, but with all those new biomes it kinda requires it…
now dont get me wrong! I wouldn’t want all my work up untill now on the server gone. noway!
but if we really wanna get the feel of the updates I dont know if another spawn or expansion area would help…

what do you guys think?

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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 5, 2013, 09:59
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From Mojang.com:

We strongly recommend that you don’t run the snapshots on an existing world if you want your landscape to stay pretty. You’ll get silly chunk borders and they don’t look pretty at all. I’d even go as far as to call them ugly.

One reason why we rarely do changes to the world generator is because every little change off-sets the world seed and causes noticeable borders between new and old terrain. A lot of people don’t mind about these borders, but we still want to avoid creating them. So, in order to avoid needing to change the world generator again in the nearest future, we try to do as many changes now as possible.

To say that i’m not concerned about this update is an understatement. I must hold true to our plan that I’ve made from the start and preserve the map we have. I will not reset the map. This holds true as long as more than 95% of the members disagree and want the reset to happen which is most likely impossible.

With that said, what are the options? Our provider, fragnet, has a terms of service that does not allow for more than 50 gigs of SSD (hard drive) space. We’re currently pushing 17 gigs. The black areas on dynmap should show the chunks that would be effected with this update. There is a lot of black space.

Option 1: If I was to generate all the chunks in our 20k x 40k world, and expand the world south from central spawn, I’d imagine the map would push over 40 gigs.
Option 2: Fill in the partially generated areas on dynmap and let the rest of the 20k x 40k world be in new generation. Its an ugly idea and several of us would have to help do this.

Also would we want to keep the large biome setting now that oceans are not so gigantic? I’d like to hear what you guys think. I would like to expand the borders again, but i’m not sure.

roi_galgal
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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 5, 2013, 10:35
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I wish jeb would stop creating anymore content… there are mods for everything really, and they only add stuff to vanilla from previous made mods…
I think we should explore the black areas before the update anyways… and maby only reset once and for all when mojang would leave minecraft alone? XP really its kinda silly but a few months after this update there would be another one… and than another 1… so I really dont know XP

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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 6, 2013, 11:31
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When Minecraft Alpha first came out I set up a server for me an my friends (its still running on the same world). The world generator wasn’t very completed yet so you would get this kind of terrain:

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However, we didnt care, because when you were walking on land you didn’t notice it. Only on water area’s. But we fixed rough landscaping in 15 minutes with world edit.

What I’m saying is; I’ve seen weirdly generated parts of land a lot of times and from my experience nobody really felt bothered by it.

Also, Sometimes I used to delete unused area’s of the map so they could be generated again after an update. so in that part you would get the upgraded stuff etc.

SwitchSB
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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 7, 2013, 09:15
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I would be completely down for a reset. If there is any update to break the no reset rule, this would be the one. I think the expanding again will be just too much. Plus half or more of the server will probably just move to the new biomes anyway. I also think removing large biomes might be cool, but that’s just because I was never a fan of it to begin with. xD

I know that lots of people are attached to their homes and stuff, so maybe we could do a copy/paste option for people? If there is like 1 home or if you just wanted your storage moved over they have that option.
I personally don’t mind losing my underground base, I can rebuild most of it if I wanted to. The only thing I’m really attached to is my floating islands at spawn. Just the floating stuff, I can redo the stuff on the ground easily.

I would like to hear suggestions because I’m sure not everyone will agree with the reset, thus it won’t happen, but if there is a way to make it happen and keep everyone happy I would love that. 🙂

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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 7, 2013, 11:00
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Quote from SwitchSB on September 7, 2013, 09:15<br /><br />
If you could keep all the hard work I did at spawn then I wouldn’t mind a reset. I haven’t really used my main base in ages. It’s mostly just storage.<br /><br />
I feel like this update kinda requires the reset and from what I’ve seen I think it would be worth it. We should take a vote.

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<p>This is exactly why people will never agree to a reset. Everyone has “all the hard work i did somewhere” that they would want to bring with them. And if you do it for one person you have to do it for everyone. which would SUCK.</p>
<p>Personally i’m fine with a reset. I think people forget how much they like resets. The magpie-like urges in their brains make them cling to their possessions, but having admined for almost every server i have ever been on, i can say that after resets attendance jumps and everyone get’s all happy that they have some new project to work on and actually get to experience the survival part of minecraft. </p>
<p>Still don’t think it’ll ever happen, but that’s my 2 cents. I’ma make a straw poll just to see how the numbers run. Maybe i’m wrong and everyone is super happy about it. But i doubt it.

EDIT: switch, don’t edit your posts like that. It makes silly things like this happen. just post again. Or at least put an edit tag. = P

SwitchSB
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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 7, 2013, 16:27
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Oops, my bad Quibits. I realized right after I posted, that I worded things really wrong so I edited it almost right away. I had no idea you were quoting me, haha.

And the hard work I was referring to was just stuff I built for spawn. It’s nothing of my own personally claimed area. We’ve had so many unfinished spawn stuff that I thought I’d just try and finish up spawn for once and worked really hard for about a week on it all. So I was just saying I’d like to keep that for the new spawn, but looking at it now, the ground terrain would be different and wouldn’t fit what I built. That’s why I changed what I said to just keep the floating islands. So it won’t ruin the natural terrain of the ground. Which is not a lot to bring over, its probably like a 30×30 area maybe.

I completely understand what you’re saying though.

Geertje123
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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 8, 2013, 07:38
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Like I said before but now with a little bit more detail; Cut the yellow area chunks out, it’s not used anyways. New biomes can generate there.
You would still have the normal map, but now with new biomes, without expanding the border

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roi_galgal
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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 8, 2013, 11:39
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highly doubt it, first, it is only 1 area, second If im not wrong, the code for the map already exists so Im not 100% sure it will generate new biomes…
And I thought about it, and really when 1.7 will be out if the server wont reset im not so sure how many people will still be on… I mean comone we cant just play on 1.6.2 with some uexplored areas forever…

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Post Re: Due to the upcoming update…
on: September 10, 2013, 02:49
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Quote from roi_galgal on September 8, 2013, 11:39<br />
highly doubt it, first, it is only 1 area, second If im not wrong, the code for the map already exists so Im not 100% sure it will generate new biomes…<br />
And I thought about it, and really when 1.7 will be out if the server wont reset im not so sure how many people will still be on… I mean comone we cant just play on 1.6.2 with some uexplored areas forever…

It is possible, I’ve done it before in my servers 😉

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