First of all Welcome to the server!
Second:
Well I dont see where’s the problem, if you dont like it dont use it. IT IS Vanilla, and if jeb didn’t wanted people to make ender farms he would change stuff a looooooooooong time ago.
+There are people like switch (which i know of…) who wouldn’t use the enderfarm…
And besides that I think you might be looking at it only from your own perspective, there are people on the server who like to build but not gather the materials, so enchanted tools sure helps the process…
The enderfarm was built legit and I dont see anything wrong with using it, its like saying my automatic pumpkin farm is OP because I dont waste more time breaking the pumpkin blocks… :\
And if youre thinking in griefing terms you shouldn’t; After all you joined because of the community and I can’t remember anybody been grieffed or been bullied by somebody else… everyone is pretty much nice XP

I think you should be more active on the server and get the feel of it and the people in it before making any judgement about the enderfarm.
really if you dont wanna use it just dont, whatever floats your boat! 😉 have fun! cya in-game!

Hey there SplitinLimbs. Glad to see you here on the forum.

I have agreed with your point of view about the end farm for many months now. The reason the end farm still exists is purely due to the fact that we claim to be a vanilla server. In my mind, a vanilla server should allow you to do any of the things that you would be able to do in a single player world. In single player, an end farm is a possibility. For a while now I have op’d out of using it as the items I enchant now hold more worth to me now than before. It’s a choice that anyone can make. And yes, it does make ‘Hard’ much easier when you’re decked out in Protection IV and Sharp V, Knockback II, Fire II…

Did you know that we have 2 maps running on the server? I was looking for more of a challenge with Minecraft and so I made a UHC Survival map. It is accessible from central spawn. This map does not include “The end” world, so it is not possible to make a farm there. Additionally natural health regeneration is off, so if you need health, you have to get it from a potion, golden apple, or beacon. There is not much of an economy there as the map is fairly new. It will also count your deaths if you die. Perhaps that is something you’d be interested in?

I also want to touch on a few other things you talked about.
First being to add rules to not allow xp farms. When you restrict people like that, its almost like saying “No floating trees” “No derp towers” “No dirt houses”. It just feels wrong to tell people what they can and cannot do on your server creative-wise. Really I just want people to come on, have fun and be involved in the community.
Secondly, PVP hasn’t been a problem on the server and the server is almost a year old. There have been only a handful of incidents that I can remember and each were resolved appropriately. I believe it works having PVP enabled because we are not a bunch of 12, 13, or 14 year olds running around, we’re all 18+ and are more mature.

Cya Ingame!
~Jack

Being new to MC on the PC, I’m not sure what my opinion counts for, but here it is anyway.

Yes, it makes Hard easier. Yes, from that perspective it “breaks” the game.

But, I think it ultimately boils down to personal choice whether to use it or not. If I choose to use it to level up and enchant some gear to make my life easier (Lord knows I need that right about now), it doesn’t affect anyone else unless I engage in PvP (and then only if they aren’t taking advantage of it as well).

One of the reasons I wanted to try this server, and why I keep going in the face of mobs kicking my butt on a frustratingly regular basis, is that it seemed to be a mature community more interested in helping each other than working out their own genital insecurity issues by ganking everyone they can find. I have zero desire to fight any of you, or to get killed by you, that isn’t what this game is about for me. But having PvP as an option leaves open all sorts of fun activities that people might engage in. One of the best MC videos I’ve watched was by the MindCrack guys (I think I watched Etho’s version), where they were cleaning up after a prank on Guude and it devolved into nearly an hour of them playing King of the Ladder. It was 2am and I couldn’t turn it off, I had to keep watching. I’d love to have the option of doing something like that in the future.

Barring PvP, Minecraft is essentially a single player game. Having a handy xp farm won’t really affect anyone’s game but mine. Especially at this point I could use all the advantages I can get as I go around looking for things to help me survive. I suspect that any use I put the End Farm here to will go the way of my captive spawners on my Xbox game, used a bit at first, then mostly ignored as I don’t need them anymore. The only time I put any of my spawners to use on the Xbox is when I have a big project that needs a lot of glowstone (blazes drop glowstone dust on the Xbox).

Quote from SwitchSB on September 3, 2013, 12:55
<p>Lastly, I helped build the ender farm and put a lot of my own resources and time into making it and I would hate to see it go. :(<br />
Haha, anyway I hope you understand where we are all coming from and can still enjoy the server with the ender farm intact.

Adding onto this by starting here. I built a double spider string farm and then used the string to build a 2,000 block spawning space, piston-powered fall damage mob trap. That is 2,000 pistons, even more redstone, 2,000 string, hundreds of tripwire hooks, hundreds of hoppers, and about 5 double chests worth of cobblestone. Should I just delete this because it doesn’t fit in your “definition” of what vanilla Minecraft is?

Have you ever paused to think that some of us who have played for many, many hours on this server (like Switch here, who has 450, or myself with 300) actually enjoy playing on the server the way it is?

Minecraft, by design, can’t have an economy. There are no rare items. There is no item in the game that I wouldn’t be willing to give you if you asked for it.

PvP on this server has NEVER been an issue. Everyone on the server helps each other, not fights. I think the person who I’ve killed most (outside of our PvP events like UHC, Nail, and other games) is Asphyroth. And I live with the guy! This being said, you should never worry about the “supposed” PvP being unbalanced because of the enchantments you can get from the exp. farm.

Going back to the top. Your perceived definition of vanilla Minecraft bothers me. Vanilla Minecraft has always been defined as the base game and every aspect that comes with it, including all of the bugs, glitches, and exploits. What vanilla Minecraft does not account for are rules limiting PvP, resource collection, and enhancements for the difficulty of the game. If you aren’t satisfied with the way the rules work on this server, either on the vanilla survival map or the UHC map, then go find a new server. It isn’t advice that I enjoy giving, because of course I enjoy playing with everyone, but if it doesn’t fit you, then find some group that does. Minecraft’s community is large enough to do that. I know that I would not have played on this server for 300 hours had I not enjoyed the ruleset and maturity of this community. And frankly, I don’t care to change it. Not one bit.

One thing people should know about me by now is that I’m not really a community type builder. Our first spawn was this little wooden structure thingy on the beach by spawn with a big tree. Other than that, that was it for me. I sectioned off land from there and let other people “fill in” spawn. My build style is to run off into the wild, find some epic looking place and build on my own. Its funny that I’d say that as you’d think that I’d be all about building the community buildings. But, that’s my play style. I like to do my own thing and chat with my friends in the process because single player is lonely.

There is so much diversity in the community when it comes to play style. Anyone can be any mixture of these:

Outcasts, like myself, that like to build far away in private.
Community builders, those that like to build in spawn, build up nether tunnels and beautify public areas.
Town builders, people that like to build small communities, almost town-like.
Redstone builders will have almost every little device you can think of
Farmers build plant-like farms and mob farms
Artists that design epic looking whatnots and structures
Traders that mingle with the community to “do business” so to speak
PVPers that want to slice yer head off (In games and such, you know)

I’ll admit that the server isn’t really geared toward the ‘Trader’ play style. Somebody in chat asks “I will buy eggs!” and you’re willing to sell eggs, but not willing to take the journey to do the transaction. Whereas on other servers you’d go /spawn, trade items, then /home and the trade is done.

With this issue we all thought that perhaps we’d build a “Mall” at spawn where people can buy stuff from others without the player being around. For the most part, the project failed. Out of the 12 possible shops the Mall created, only really 3 shops were geared toward the Trader play style and the rest were mostly abandoned. Let alone the fact that the Mall stayed unfinished.

This reply is getting long, so I’ll wrap it up. SplitinLimbs, I don’t see that you’ve stepped on anyone’s toes. And I don’t think that anyone got butthurt over your opinion, so don’t fret man. Am I right if I said that you’re playstyle is much like a Trader in Minecraft? Also, if there was a location where people could do auto trading, like a marketplace, would that interest you?

Thanks,
~Jack